Why Clinical Associates matter

Why Clinical Associates matter

clinical associate with patient child - Dalton Dingelstad for DiscoveryClinAs (Clinical Associates) are an important new mid-level category of healthcare providers in the new healthcare model. They are trained to assess patients, make diagnoses, prescribe treatment and perform minor surgery under the supervision of a physician. Initially, the ClinAs work in district hospitals where they strengthen healthcare services in the district and address the shortage of doctors at the level of district hospital and community health centres.

The district hospitals are the ideal starting point for this initiative due to their well-defined and manageable level of care. ClinAs can get sufficient supervision during their community services and before going into their specialist training fields of choice. They are part of teams in different units in the district hospital (emergency unit, outpatient departments, and medical surgical and maternity units).

In operating theatres, the ClinAs assist doctors with basic procedures, such as incisions, spinal anaesthesia, drainage, circumcisions, evacuations and caesarean sections. The scope of practice of the ClinAs is intended to fill the gap that exists in the medical field, where a large proportion of the clinical work of doctors is related to emergency care, diagnostic and therapeutic procedure and inpatient care, HIV and TB care.

The major shortage of healthcare workers in South Africa impacts negatively at the level of patient care and access to quality healthcare services. It also compounds the work burden of healthcare workers when they are unable to provide adequate care to patients as a result of a shortage of equipment and medication, and delays to providing care and treatment to HIV/TB patients.

There is a great advantage for Clinical Associates who are trained and learn in rural areas. The gain skills and a concrete understand of the fundamental challenges of health care in remote and poverty-stricken districts. For the patients, the introduction of Clinical Associates has brought great relief, while offering employment opportunities to the youth and alleviating the workloads of doctors and nurses.

However, there are still places where Clinical Associates are underutilised. The major cause is the delay in the signing of the scope of practice by the Health Professions Council of South Africa (HPCSA), which must be finalised before it can be put into action. Some provinces have failed to include ClinAs in their health programmes and to budget for training and employing ClinAs, in spite of paying for bursaries for students.

There are a number of immediate steps that must be taken. These include:

  • Including ClinAs in staffing models for all district facilities.
  • Introducing compulsory community service for ClinAs.
  • Developing a nationwide commuted overtime policy and budget for ClinAs.
  • Finalising and implementing a scope of practice by the HPCSA and minister’s office.

There are currently a number of challenges that must be addressed urgently. A scope of practice has still not been finalised and is sitting with the HPCSA for review. There needs to be clarity as to when this process will be finalized.

The career path for theses workers remains unclear. There are also no overtime policies and allowances in place – salary levels are still very low and does not take their workload into account.

There’s remains a shortage of posts for graduate ClinA’s and some of them are sitting at home without a monthly income

The profession has also not been introduced officially by minister of health. He needs to state its primary role and function within the South African health system as many health care professionals and patients still don’t know what ClinA’s are and what they do.

Leballo is a Clinical Associate at Dr JS Moroka Hospital in Thaba Nchu and the chairperson of the Profesional Association of Clinical Associates in South Africa (PACASA).

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135 Responses to “Why Clinical Associates matter”

  1. mthebha

    Eish salaries they should be increased, yoh! They are very very low.
    I mean it pains that people expect you to live like a doctor but you can’t even built your own house, not mentioning the car and as a matter of fact you don’t qualify for tremendous loans. In my class all students regretted some left engineering, some accounting, some law, they thought its medicine without surgery. But ask them now they had big dreams which now had come to stop I mean money is too limited. Which makes me think why atleast they stop taking somemore students for now that everything is still not in its place. People treat clinical associate as a curse both in hospital and university. Atleast let it be like in BSc where every student who finishes is qualified to study medicine straight away no questions asked, here you struggle so much to get to find an institution even the one you trained in. Guys we need to pray for this course.

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    • tshepo

      A salary of a clinical associate it’s a disgrace to the society ,,you can’t make a long term goals we can’t afford bonds in short we are cheap labours .The reason why it’s like this is because it’s a black profession no one takes this program serious ,even at the university we were treated unfairly .Since 2011 the scope is with the minister till now all we want it’s a living wage and to be treated well and the military is the worse they don’t pay them well .

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      • Fellow ClinAssociate

        Dear Tshepo,

        I am very sorry to hear that you feel this way…

        I have to disagree with you, however. I am a young WHITE clinical associate and know many others like myself, thus it is not a “BLACK” profession. I chose this profession to make a difference, therefore I do not really take to heart the way that people treat me, I will agree that MD’s seems to think of us as “third-degree” professionals.

        As for the wage, we can not really complain. Most nurses at my level are paid at around the same rate as myself. My mother is an OPD nurse with 29+ years of experience and she only earns about R 500 more than I do, BTW I am in the profession for around 4 years now…

        I DO AGREE THAT ALL MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, ACROSS ALL SPECIALTIES SHOULD GET BETTER COMPENSATION! But it still is/was our choice to become Clinical Associates, and we can and should not keep our employers responsible for that. We knew that our compensation would be marginal before we enrolled in university.

        All the best for the future
        A Fellow Clin Associate

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    • Hlanzeka

      Mthebha i realise u commented two years back on this matter. How is this profession for you now? would u advice somebody to study the course u did?

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  2. mthebha

    Eish salaries they should be increased, yoh! They are very very low.
    I mean it pains that people expect you to live like a doctor but you can’t even built your own house, not mentioning the car and as a matter of fact you don’t qualify for tremendous loans. In my class all students regretted some left engineering, some accounting, some law, they thought its medicine without surgery. But ask them now they had big dreams which now had come to stop I mean money is too limited. Which makes me think why atleast they stop taking somemore students for now that everything is still not in its place. People treat clinical associate as a curse both in hospital and university. Atleast let it be like in BSc where every student who finishes is qualified to study medicine straight away no questions asked, here you struggle so much to get to find an institution even the one you trained in. Guys we need to pray for this course.

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  3. Lisbeth

    Thanks!
    This is so true, i hope ths goes to all the media so people who keps forgeting us in their budget will remember next time.

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  4. Mooketsi Edward Dinkwe

    Emergencies

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  5. Mooketsi Edward Dinkwe

    Emergencies

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  6. Jayshree Ramdeen

    I would like to subscribe to the NSP review.

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  7. Jayshree Ramdeen

    I would like to subscribe to the NSP review.

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  8. Zanele Mtshokotsha

    I agree with this article 100%. I couldn’t have said it better! We need to be recognized for the pivotal part that we play in the healthcare system ASAP

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  9. Teekay Motati

    Very informative. We hope the DOH becomes more aware

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  10. Teekay Motati

    Very informative. We hope the DOH becomes more aware

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  11. reetseng segofalang

    Hello.The fact that our profession hasn’t been officially annouced is very sad since we will be doing practicals in the hospital were everyday you need to explain to the patient who are and what you doing and the will be like “what’s that?” And that I can deal with but explaining to the health care provider its frastrating.considering the payment of the clinical associate is very low compared to what is expected of us in a work setting .especially back inthe rural areas where there are no doctors and you would be basically running a huge unit alone and a docter phone call away its so unfair.They know that we are paid less but still they have issues on letting us do low-comes.Am telling you guys this program will end up lossing clinA as much as they producing them since what most people intend in doing is serving the bursary and change profession.we are always getting false hope

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  12. reetseng segofalang

    Hello.The fact that our profession hasn’t been officially annouced is very sad since we will be doing practicals in the hospital were everyday you need to explain to the patient who are and what you doing and the will be like “what’s that?” And that I can deal with but explaining to the health care provider its frastrating.considering the payment of the clinical associate is very low compared to what is expected of us in a work setting .especially back inthe rural areas where there are no doctors and you would be basically running a huge unit alone and a docter phone call away its so unfair.They know that we are paid less but still they have issues on letting us do low-comes.Am telling you guys this program will end up lossing clinA as much as they producing them since what most people intend in doing is serving the bursary and change profession.we are always getting false hope

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  13. Hlengiwe

    I am a Clinical Associate student and agree that all these things need to be done soon. But we have read articles like this for years now, its tiring. Yes when you read it, it feels like we are getting somewhere, but months pass and nothing happens. We are always told that this or that will happen “soon” but we never get a date. I love health, alot of the BCMP students do, and this program was a great idea to help South Africa with the health care provider shortage problems. But alot of students are applying to other degrees and already planing their way out. This is literally an everyday topic on the bus to and from hospital (during rotation blocks). We are afraid of not getting jobs, or working hard but not being able to afford much. It is difficult to stay motivated when the future seems bleak, when our working colleges are telling us that they are working two jobs to get better pay. Its even hard to study, not a day passes that we don’t think about it.

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    • Mlungisi

      Sorry Hlengiwe what is the monthly payment for a person with clinical associate degree?

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      • TSM

        You are looking at starting at 13k after deductions. Really sad and shocking for the qualification and the amount of work. It is a level 7; the same amount admin clerks (people who issue and pack files in hospitals) are earning.

        It increases by about 6 – 7% annually which does not even keep up with inflation or CPI.

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  14. Hlengiwe

    Colleagues* sorry not colleges

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  15. Hlengiwe

    Colleagues* sorry not colleges

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  16. Tondie

    The salary part is very sad and the fact that our course coordinators don’t wanna tell us the truth about this is not fair when we apply we are only told the advantages not the disadvantages, almost everyone in my class is applying for other things as well, let’s just hope they will fix things and stop limiting us to this

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  17. Tondie

    The salary part is very sad and the fact that our course coordinators don’t wanna tell us the truth about this is not fair when we apply we are only told the advantages not the disadvantages, almost everyone in my class is applying for other things as well, let’s just hope they will fix things and stop limiting us to this

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  18. Benny

    Webare overworking and under payed. Its painful though……….

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  19. Prof. Ntuli

    Colleagues,
    So much has been said and I can’t dispute any of what you have just said above, it is absolutely true. In addition to what you have said, my concern or my biggest worry is the future of “black youth”, Why are they(Department of Health) playing with black youth because majority of students in this program are black and why aren’t universities advocating for us? What is the DoH’s plan around the future of Clinical Associates? Clinical Medical Practice profession is currently playing pivotal role in most district hospitals where they are allocated, when is the DOH going to acknowledge their significance? Somehow I wonder if DoH does value Clinical Associates, if they don’t value them why they continue producing them? Do they consider the future of “young black youth”? Currently this profession is facing a huge problem which hasn’t been addressed or solved for the past years and that I can tell you it demotivated everyone who is a clinical associates, it’s even hard to wake up in the morning & go to work, the issue of a “scope of practice” people ask what can you do and what you cannot do? How do you answer that because there is no scope of practice? Another concern is around all three universities, how or what are they teaching or training Clinical Associates based on since there is no legal document which outlines the exit outcomes for the profession? How do they decide that we need to teach clinical associate this and not this based on what? What criteria they use? How do they train or produce a profession that is existing not official or legal existing? Without scope of practice, this profession is the same as a profession that isn’t existing, useless & with no future. So how do they teach? They organize CPD programs based on what? People who’ll be teaching clinical associates what will they be teaching them based on what? These issues are actually stressful to all clinical associates in South Africa, I don’t wanna mention the issue around salary because there isn’t even a scope of practice but I’m aware that as much as we have all these problems, clinical associate still strive for better service delivery to their community, still work hard and still do their best to help the community, they still work hard on bringing smiles to the sickest & their relatives.

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  20. Prof. Ntuli

    Colleagues,
    So much has been said and I can’t dispute any of what you have just said above, it is absolutely true. In addition to what you have said, my concern or my biggest worry is the future of “black youth”, Why are they(Department of Health) playing with black youth because majority of students in this program are black and why aren’t universities advocating for us? What is the DoH’s plan around the future of Clinical Associates? Clinical Medical Practice profession is currently playing pivotal role in most district hospitals where they are allocated, when is the DOH going to acknowledge their significance? Somehow I wonder if DoH does value Clinical Associates, if they don’t value them why they continue producing them? Do they consider the future of “young black youth”? Currently this profession is facing a huge problem which hasn’t been addressed or solved for the past years and that I can tell you it demotivated everyone who is a clinical associates, it’s even hard to wake up in the morning & go to work, the issue of a “scope of practice” people ask what can you do and what you cannot do? How do you answer that because there is no scope of practice? Another concern is around all three universities, how or what are they teaching or training Clinical Associates based on since there is no legal document which outlines the exit outcomes for the profession? How do they decide that we need to teach clinical associate this and not this based on what? What criteria they use? How do they train or produce a profession that is existing not official or legal existing? Without scope of practice, this profession is the same as a profession that isn’t existing, useless & with no future. So how do they teach? They organize CPD programs based on what? People who’ll be teaching clinical associates what will they be teaching them based on what? These issues are actually stressful to all clinical associates in South Africa, I don’t wanna mention the issue around salary because there isn’t even a scope of practice but I’m aware that as much as we have all these problems, clinical associate still strive for better service delivery to their community, still work hard and still do their best to help the community, they still work hard on bringing smiles to the sickest & their relatives.

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  21. Nompilo

    I cnt even say anything, people have been talking and I think it is time for action now. We are a dissappointment and it is not even our fault we didn’t knw that DOH can invent something that they dnt even knw how to handle 🙂

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    • Meshack

      I don’t really understand, is this course so bad… because I was planning to enrol and then do my honours on emergency medicine.. Please supply with relative information on how’s this course ?

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  22. Nompilo

    I cnt even say anything, people have been talking and I think it is time for action now. We are a dissappointment and it is not even our fault we didn’t knw that DOH can invent something that they dnt even knw how to handle 🙂

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  23. andrew ndox mapila

    no comment sad face #grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttttt

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  24. BANELE NDZIMANDE

    Only those that are at level 1 hospitals see the importance of these new imaging program /CA….these people they are too helpful to da society prospective point of view …eg the patient waiting time is now far better less than compared as before ..!! I SALUTE THESE PEOPLE ..

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  25. BANELE NDZIMANDE

    Only those that are at level 1 hospitals see the importance of these new imaging program /CA….these people they are too helpful to da society prospective point of view …eg the patient waiting time is now far better less than compared as before ..!! I SALUTE THESE PEOPLE ..

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  26. ZC Jele

    This was supposed to be on media before elections,am sure other opposing political parties would have done something better! This is saf especially in rural areas, to see more than 35patients per day it’s not a joke! Salary is inverstly propotional to our hard work!!!Change the career would be the best option cause it’s seems like we wasting our time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Khanyisile Lunika

      I am still in high school and when I heard about Clinical Association I knew it was for me. Now that I see all of this, I don’t know anymore. Quite a number of students from my heart talk about this career, they are eager to go for it. The only problem is that we don’t know much about, none of the universities that come to our school ever mention it, even the one’s that offer the course eg U.P

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    • Zaza

      I think all clinex need to combine and strike for better salary guys if it is not solved now then it will neva be i believe the majority of clinex in sa is the youth so how do they discourage us like giving us false hope its not fair we are even moked at school just because people dont see the importance of this course bcz it only helps communities with a vital role whilst we dont get paid ,whats shocking is that if you can check on other countries they earn good salary compared to sa ,if they dont wanna pay us why atleast cant they allow us to further our studies as in studying for honors degree ,masters and so on coz mayb the salary will increase ,like serias we living fake lives you work like a doctor and earn like a clerk thats not fair

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  27. Xolisile Dlamini

    Hey ya neh its sad I hope someone somewhere one day will understand us and help us.

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  28. Xolisile Dlamini

    Hey ya neh its sad I hope someone somewhere one day will understand us and help us.

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  29. D.K

    The DOH really have to do something about this matter. I have nothing much to say, exept saying tht we must keep on praying, all will be well

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  30. D.K

    The DOH really have to do something about this matter. I have nothing much to say, exept saying tht we must keep on praying, all will be well

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  31. Zukaman!!!

    Who will read the above mentioned statements, ey! We need people like Julius Malema who can read these out loud at the parliament maybe it will only be then that our voices are heard.

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  32. Zukaman!!!

    Who will read the above mentioned statements, ey! We need people like Julius Malema who can read these out loud at the parliament maybe it will only be then that our voices are heard.

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  33. tshepo

    In all the ngo that are doing mmc are using clinical associate ,that shows that clinical associate are playing a vital role in fighting Hiv and aids .the minister he is busy saying more than a million men are medically circumcised but he does not know who did that ,I think it’s time he sign the scope if he knows about it because we are not earning

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  34. tshepo

    In all the ngo that are doing mmc are using clinical associate ,that shows that clinical associate are playing a vital role in fighting Hiv and aids .the minister he is busy saying more than a million men are medically circumcised but he does not know who did that ,I think it’s time he sign the scope if he knows about it because we are not earning

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  35. grace

    I appreciate and concur all issues raised in this article and comments. It puzzles me too why it has taken so long for the parties concerned to finalise the CA scope of practice yet the CA programmes in the three Universities are fully registered with SAQA with full exit level outcomes well stipulated and fully accredited by the regulatory authority? Just two days ago I was interacting with some top level health workers who are maning different programs such as HIV, TB, Pharmaceuticals and quality assurance from various hospitals and districts. Most of them perceive CA professionals that they are inneficient giving examples that they cant prescribe, cant order for x-rays, cantwork alone without presence of doctors and futhermore others said this professional should be stopped. My further probbing made me to realize that these colleagues dont differentiate failure of CAs to perform certain tasks due to lack of legal document authorizing them and total lack of knowledge to perform certain tasks. It is crucial for the scope of practice to be finalized as a matter of urgency if the primary obective of initiating this profession is to be realized. I have also realized that publicity for CA program needs to be strengthened especially for other health workers need to know the primary objective of starting this profession and their roles made clear to them.Colleagues dont give up one day the CA professionals in South Africa will find their contentment

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  36. grace

    I appreciate and concur all issues raised in this article and comments. It puzzles me too why it has taken so long for the parties concerned to finalise the CA scope of practice yet the CA programmes in the three Universities are fully registered with SAQA with full exit level outcomes well stipulated and fully accredited by the regulatory authority? Just two days ago I was interacting with some top level health workers who are maning different programs such as HIV, TB, Pharmaceuticals and quality assurance from various hospitals and districts. Most of them perceive CA professionals that they are inneficient giving examples that they cant prescribe, cant order for x-rays, cantwork alone without presence of doctors and futhermore others said this professional should be stopped. My further probbing made me to realize that these colleagues dont differentiate failure of CAs to perform certain tasks due to lack of legal document authorizing them and total lack of knowledge to perform certain tasks. It is crucial for the scope of practice to be finalized as a matter of urgency if the primary obective of initiating this profession is to be realized. I have also realized that publicity for CA program needs to be strengthened especially for other health workers need to know the primary objective of starting this profession and their roles made clear to them.Colleagues dont give up one day the CA professionals in South Africa will find their contentment

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    • Owi

      True. I couldn’t have said it any differently lol im acting feeling spoilt i can’t believe i been pissed and mad for 1 and half years, im only doing my second year n you guys been seeing flames ? for years

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  37. Siyabonga

    Guys no one with power to change anything is gonna read all this, no one cares,as long as they are getting their cheap labourers that can save them money why should they change anything. I think we should just study other things that will be more rewording, debating about this can only stress us, and 5 years down the line we will regret ourselves for not exploring our options. They told us they will be a postgraduate option 2015, has anyone seen the application forms? no, because its not going to happen… If we are that good and in demand why is it not easy to just get a job? Something isn’t right. A confirmed scope of practice will make them see how much we do and they will feel obliged to pay us more so they won’t confirm it anytime soon either, why should they when they are saving so much money? I don’t know… I’m just saying.

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  38. Siyabonga

    Guys no one with power to change anything is gonna read all this, no one cares,as long as they are getting their cheap labourers that can save them money why should they change anything. I think we should just study other things that will be more rewording, debating about this can only stress us, and 5 years down the line we will regret ourselves for not exploring our options. They told us they will be a postgraduate option 2015, has anyone seen the application forms? no, because its not going to happen… If we are that good and in demand why is it not easy to just get a job? Something isn’t right. A confirmed scope of practice will make them see how much we do and they will feel obliged to pay us more so they won’t confirm it anytime soon either, why should they when they are saving so much money? I don’t know… I’m just saying.

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  39. Zaandre

    Dear Colleagues
    I have read all of the above and I do not disagree with anything said, but now that we have identified the problem what are we going to do about it?

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  40. sam

    this degree is a burden hey…i dont know how many people in my class are already wanting out and even contemplating to drop out..the way we are treated is unprofessional and discouraging.I only know a very selected few who are not planning on applying to do another degree after BCMP. Why are all the lecturers leaving? That says a whole lot on its own.Nobody takes us seriously.I cant even advise people to do this degree anymore. The way our expectations were made so high during orientation. Our marks are even dropping because we dont have the motivation to study due to all the problems mentioned above, to think that we still have to face all these problems once we graduate. Feel sorry for those who are on bursaries, 3 years of having to pay back the money,thats if you even find a job. If things carry on like this this degree will certainly disappear into oblivion.Three years down the drain

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  41. sam

    this degree is a burden hey…i dont know how many people in my class are already wanting out and even contemplating to drop out..the way we are treated is unprofessional and discouraging.I only know a very selected few who are not planning on applying to do another degree after BCMP. Why are all the lecturers leaving? That says a whole lot on its own.Nobody takes us seriously.I cant even advise people to do this degree anymore. The way our expectations were made so high during orientation. Our marks are even dropping because we dont have the motivation to study due to all the problems mentioned above, to think that we still have to face all these problems once we graduate. Feel sorry for those who are on bursaries, 3 years of having to pay back the money,thats if you even find a job. If things carry on like this this degree will certainly disappear into oblivion.Three years down the drain

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  42. DW

    1. You have to consult right people. Non can take action without political intervention.

    2. You need to know what you are fighting for. Is money, s it recognition or is a clear definition of your role and duties which should be equated to the salary?

    3. Spoken words only acquire their meaning if transformed into practical deed, 1st group is in their 3rd year of post university. Do you maybe see the light? No

    A salary of a practitioner is determined by years of studies and other factors, professional responsibility and accountability being among them.

    A. Are you happy that you will be a supervised practitioner forever? If no, take action and identify a standing leg. Even nurses at some point open their practices

    B. Do you have a courageous, goal driven leadership? No, scattered thoughts build no sentence.

    C. What is the role of PACASA? Is SRC, is it serving University’s wishes so they get more recruit or it’s purpose is to fight for workers and demand wages and good working conditions? A good definition of PACASA should be set out

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  43. DW

    1. You have to consult right people. Non can take action without political intervention.

    2. You need to know what you are fighting for. Is money, s it recognition or is a clear definition of your role and duties which should be equated to the salary?

    3. Spoken words only acquire their meaning if transformed into practical deed, 1st group is in their 3rd year of post university. Do you maybe see the light? No

    A salary of a practitioner is determined by years of studies and other factors, professional responsibility and accountability being among them.

    A. Are you happy that you will be a supervised practitioner forever? If no, take action and identify a standing leg. Even nurses at some point open their practices

    B. Do you have a courageous, goal driven leadership? No, scattered thoughts build no sentence.

    C. What is the role of PACASA? Is SRC, is it serving University’s wishes so they get more recruit or it’s purpose is to fight for workers and demand wages and good working conditions? A good definition of PACASA should be set out

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  44. DW

    1. You have to consult right people. Non can take action without political intervention.

    2. You need to know what you are fighting for. Is it money, is it recognition or is a clear definition of your role and duties which should be equated to the salary?

    3. Spoken words only acquire their meaning if transformed into practical deed, 1st group is in their 3rd year of post university. Do you maybe see the light? No

    A salary of a practitioner is determined by years of studies and other factors, professional responsibility and accountability being among them.

    A. Are you happy that you will be a supervised practitioner forever? If no, take action and identify a standing leg. Even nurses at some point open their practices

    B. Do you have a courageous, goal driven leadership? No, scattered thoughts build no sentence.

    C. What is the role of PACASA? Is SRC, is it serving University’s wishes so they get more recruit or it’s purpose is to fight for workers and demand wages and good working conditions? A good definition of PACASA should be set out

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  45. Bonolo

    Worst decision of my life..I had big dreams
    Wasted 3 years of my life!

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  46. Bonolo

    Worst decision of my life..I had big dreams
    Wasted 3 years of my life!

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  47. Mak

    All is not well whichever way you look at it. Lack of supervision has led to serious abuse. You are expected to take on the duties of being a medical officer, earning peanuts while the Dr who is being paid for that post doesn’t pitch for work because they know that they can earn while you slave. I had to do two ward rounds by myself and I finished at 8pm as I was not willing to leave patients unseen. So the freedom to being unsupervised has created another problem, being open to abuse as Dr’s will leave you alone. You are dr when you are expected to work alone but when it comes to remuneration or recognition and acknowledgement you’re CA. Something has to give. There are so many problems and loop holes to misuse however way you look at it and we have to keep pushing forward one day things will be as they should be but I honestly won’t hold my breath…least I die waiting for that day.

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  48. leonard

    i realy like this cause so much.. im not studing or have studied. this cause but was planning to, cant all the CAs From all over province to province come and meeting have a mass meeting and send a memorandam to the department of health about this issue strike if it needs be… that the fastest solution in south africa. they cant create a cauae and register that cause then forget it no!!!!!

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  49. MANQWATI

    we need recognition,scope of practice and increase our salary.To be honest we are working for peanuts here.DOH please intervine,this situation is so stressing.

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  50. MANQWATI

    we need recognition,scope of practice and increase our salary.To be honest we are working for peanuts here.DOH please intervine,this situation is so stressing.

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  51. Carol

    Lol……strike!!! Even if clinical associates strike, it will not be heard of, life will just go on as if nothing is happening. This course is Bull shit!!!!! Guys we need 2 open up and tell the truth about this course, something they should have done @ the orientation. BCMP is a shame…….

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  52. Bee

    This will not make the minister write R80 000 salary or adjust the scope of practice immediately,but,allow me to vent….

    I only know of a handful of people who are doing this to be ClinAs. Our lecturers sell dreams!!!!! If the documents were planned way before the program even started, why are we still stuck if “so much work is being done”??? I for one thought it was a shorter version of medicine because at the time I started, there was almost no iformation on the internet about this!!!!!!!!! I am just from viewing the ClinAs website…..who will take us seriously with so much spelling errors,or should I say “typos”????? Can we get serious?????????? We need council mnembers who are not in it just for recognition but to serve the profession! I dont even know how to respond when I am trying to promote the degree/profession when I’m asked how much is earned?!?!! I am one of those who is planning a different career route once I graduate. Nxx….!

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  53. Bee

    This will not make the minister write R80 000 salary or adjust the scope of practice immediately,but,allow me to vent….

    I only know of a handful of people who are doing this to be ClinAs. Our lecturers sell dreams!!!!! If the documents were planned way before the program even started, why are we still stuck if “so much work is being done”??? I for one thought it was a shorter version of medicine because at the time I started, there was almost no iformation on the internet about this!!!!!!!!! I am just from viewing the ClinAs website…..who will take us seriously with so much spelling errors,or should I say “typos”????? Can we get serious?????????? We need council mnembers who are not in it just for recognition but to serve the profession! I dont even know how to respond when I am trying to promote the degree/profession when I’m asked how much is earned?!?!! I am one of those who is planning a different career route once I graduate. Nxx….!

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  54. Nono

    Cheap,frustrated labourers will not be effective in the hospital. I guess they want tons of dead bodies,after all, the public health care system is crap!

    Seems all the council and all people in power of this degree do is,meet,have snacks and drink gallons of coffee,small talk and eventually no work has been done. If we had an effective council,we wouldn’t still be discussing the problems I am sure they have heard at least a million times!

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  55. Benard

    Im done talking everything is crapy here, the best thing to do is to leave while you still have time, if you dont then you might just sit back and wait for judgement day. The wont be any change any time soon. Its been 6 years hearing the.same shit!!!! SCOPE SCOPE, MONEY MONEY, OVERTIME OVERTIME! . We dont exist thats the fact

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  56. Benard

    Im done talking everything is crapy here, the best thing to do is to leave while you still have time, if you dont then you might just sit back and wait for judgement day. The wont be any change any time soon. Its been 6 years hearing the.same shit!!!! SCOPE SCOPE, MONEY MONEY, OVERTIME OVERTIME! . We dont exist thats the fact

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  57. Benard

    PACASSA, all members should step down because they are the most clueless people who keeps popping words they dont even know what they mean!!! They are all useless. They always we working hard bla bla bla. Nothing at the end.

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  58. NDUMISO

    GUY IM NDUMISO IM TAKEN IN PRETORIA UNIVER TO DO THE COURSE,BT UR VIEWS ARE GVNG ME A LOW DOWN NGIPHELA AMANDLA IM LO0SING INTREST

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  59. NDUMISO

    GUY IM NDUMISO IM TAKEN IN PRETORIA UNIVER TO DO THE COURSE,BT UR VIEWS ARE GVNG ME A LOW DOWN NGIPHELA AMANDLA IM LO0SING INTREST

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  60. star

    I think the best solution for all clinical Associates around the country is to go back to school and study something else….. I know I am!!!!

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  61. Babalwa

    Your comments have saved a lot of kids time and money. your voices have not gone unheard, those who were thinking of enrolling in this career are thankful.

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  62. fabrego_Gupta

    Dear Dr minister just sign the documents and pay us what we deserve to be paid.

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  63. fabrego_Gupta

    Dear Dr minister just sign the documents and pay us what we deserve to be paid.

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  64. Katey

    just few question guys…

    – is some BCMP modules not even equivalent to Bsc general ? i.e. A BCMP degree wont qualify one to apply for wits GEMP or be exempted at medical school for MbChB?

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  65. Katey

    just few question guys…

    – is some BCMP modules not even equivalent to Bsc general ? i.e. A BCMP degree wont qualify one to apply for wits GEMP or be exempted at medical school for MbChB?

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  66. Brenda

    With so little information about this career, ur comments has given me a lot of insight on this career, thank you. I hope DOH sort out this mess and give the CA the recognition they deserve.

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  67. Nafeesah R.O

    I just want to ask how far with Clinical Associates scope of practice,does it finalised or not yet….this is what is delaying my registration as a ClinAss at HPCSA.hope to read from you soon.Thanks

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  68. Noluthando Duma

    Hello guys

    Thank you for saving me from making the biggest mistake of my life, I was about to leave work as a medical technologist to become a CA, was gonna register at Wits but you have helped me.

    Thank you’

    I am sorry you guys had to become an example…such is life!

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  69. Noluthando Duma

    Hello guys

    Thank you for saving me from making the biggest mistake of my life, I was about to leave work as a medical technologist to become a CA, was gonna register at Wits but you have helped me.

    Thank you’

    I am sorry you guys had to become an example…such is life!

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  70. Ntokozo

    But I after all your comments guys I wanted to change but unfortunately when I read the contract it doesn’t allow me to do any changes during the course of my studies or else I’d have to pay back their money, is there any other possibilities??

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  71. zooye

    Ya true that. The only solution is 2 go back 2 skull n study something else.

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  72. zooye

    Ya true that. The only solution is 2 go back 2 skull n study something else.

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  73. m-kay

    i was planning to go do this course(post studyng a BSc) but after reading all this, I buried that dream. Ur comments hav not gone unnoticed guys

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  74. lebohang

    I am now stressed because next year I want to study bachelor of clinical medical practice.

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  75. lebohang

    I am now stressed because next year I want to study bachelor of clinical medical practice.

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  76. Mams

    Thrs only one language the politicians understand which is dancing with one leg on the ground and the other leg on 90 degrees wth da toes pointing down.
    One can ask da question ‘wts wrong, why me?’ Colleagues we r not united, we r being led by people whom r living nice, driving big cars n thy r not clinical associates. They r not experiencing da pain we have.
    No one i say no one wil pave this career if we not doing it ourselves.
    Wat it is dat they r trying to do to solve this matter dat take them more than 5 years? Did dat draft scope of practice reach da ministers office?
    If we sit n rely on dis people, we wont win
    My suggestion is, if things dnt change by month end lets hv a meeting n come up a plan

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  77. lebohang

    I think clinical associates in each hospital must have a meeting with doctors and tell the leading department to solve
    the problem at least maybe doctors will be listened.

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  78. lebohang

    I think clinical associates in each hospital must have a meeting with doctors and tell the leading department to solve
    the problem at least maybe doctors will be listened.

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  79. Athalia

    Discouraged as a first year BCMP student?

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  80. mamosadi

    i hope there is something done about this because ive always loved the course and want to study it,please someone tell me things are getting better or they are better.

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  81. mamosadi

    i hope there is something done about this because ive always loved the course and want to study it,please someone tell me things are getting better or they are better.

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  82. tsholofelo

    I want to do the course. I don’t hear anyone talking about specialising. Are you guys allowed to specialise? If so what kind of speciality? How much will be my salary after I have completed. How mu h are you earning guys? Please answer my questions.

    I’m a staff nurse and thinking of resigning next year to do this course

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  83. Zintle

    hi guys, i was currently browsing through the internet for more information on being a clinical associate. I am currently confused as to what i want to be. But i will be attending career counselling to figure that out. I am currently doing my second year BA general degree. So i have the option to become a neuropsychologist. But i have always had a passion and desire for the medical field. so i am currently considering to do a BCMP degree after my BA and specialise after that. However your reviews on the experience of doing a BCMP and on being a clinical associate have me worried. I guess i will have to make a well-informed decision that i will be able to live with for the rest of my life.

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  84. Mbongeni

    hei people I also been accepted in UP for next year in BCMP but all ur comment is discaraging me about this cause can someone tell me about it b4 I even start starding

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  85. Mbongeni

    hei people I also been accepted in UP for next year in BCMP but all ur comment is discaraging me about this cause can someone tell me about it b4 I even start starding

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  86. Andisiwe

    As much as we earn small salaries, now the challenge is that DOH is losing qualified Clinical Associates. They are migrating to other careers… And its also hurtful when other universities don’t consider you because you are a Clinical Associate… We hardly get study leaves, we do so much work. As a matter of fact there are no Doctors in other institutions… Its hard to even know where to from here in order to further our studies in a Clinical Associate field. We do want to work but can the management solve this before Clinical Associates get extinct.

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  87. Dikela

    Its about time we lift up our knees(siphakamise idolo) coz it seems as if its the only way that this government can listen to our cries…..

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  88. Dikela

    Its about time we lift up our knees(siphakamise idolo) coz it seems as if its the only way that this government can listen to our cries…..

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  89. TSM

    Anyone planing on going into this; here are some insights:

    1) you earn peanuts, 13k after deductions

    2) you are abused and at best regared as a poorl educated set of hands to the point where dr turn you into a porter.

    3) There is no specializing

    4) DOH said if ever there is post grad qualifications, salaries will not increase.

    5) The universities are refusing to credit any BCMP qualification which means your matric marks are all you have after earning your degree and/or however many years of work

    I wish someone had laid it out as simple as this for all qualified Clinicall Associates; some would be lawyers, accountants, engineers and more.

    This is a sad state of affairs with no tangible help in sight, just promises of a better future…one day; far from now.

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  90. Mbimbi

    Yhooo hayike now I am demotivated!

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  91. BM

    I’m currently an intern Medical Technologist, so I basically applied for BCMP at UP as a second option, after reading these comments it opended my mind I’m so glad it was just a second option

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    • mampa

      hi guys I applied for MBChB at tuks (UP) it was unsuccessful , my 2nd choice is clinical associate with the hope I ‘ll be able to be considered to study MBChB after completion of Clinical associate, is it advisable? I don’t want risk my moves as I am planning to resign in 2017

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  92. MAN

    Guys, our government is full of political issues, the thing is that if you need for them to hear our story you have to go on strike and fight been in the media, and for us we don’t want that kind of a thing. i think it will be the best if we can have a meeting with the minister(health) about this matter because we gonna keep on talking too much about the same thing every hour until we become elderly and go to pension without solution, CUS TIME DOES’NT STOP IT KEEPS ON GOING FOREVER.

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  93. Rory

    Hi Mampa…

    That was everybody’s dream in my class but because the syllabus is completely integrated, no other degree acknowledges BCMP because it has no actual subjects. So no it will not help with getting into medicine

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  94. Pumza Olga

    We need to take this further ,this is a disgrace we can’t even afford to buy cars we r hitchhikers ohw poor can phambili guys

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  95. Hazel

    Oh my God please someone help me these comments are stressing me like I have been accepted for 2017 in the hope of its being credited and I can apply for a GEMP..

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  96. Robert

    It seems the only beneficiary is the Government who :
    1. Does not want to pay public doctors a decent salary so
    2. They have created this niche to
    3. Exploit at a quarter of they pay or less of a doctor to
    4. Get 4 well trained underpaid professionals for the price of 1 doctor.
    5. Solving the public healthcare crisis at the expense of the poor CA

    Even NDipl grads get paid more than this in many other, less demanding proffessions.

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  97. felicia Matiti

    My daughter is doing matric this year when she saw this program on WITS Curriculum, she was very happy. I guess we must look at option 2 if this career is not well taken care of by the government.

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  98. Lerato

    Hi everyone,
    I applied for Medicine at multiple universities and all applications failed, so instead I decided to study Dietetics at UP. I was considering dropping Dietetics after first year to do something closely related to Medicine (BCMP seemed like a viable option) but after reading this post it seems like I would have to continue with Dietetics.

    So sorry that you have to go through this. The DOH is unappreciative.
    Best of luck for the future.

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  99. Sifiso Gama

    This is very bad, almost enrolled for BCMP after resigning from being Data Capturer (DOH). I am glad I rather chose to do Mining Engineering. I still love the CA course and I pray that all ClinAs will be given what they truly deserve one day!

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  100. gugs

    Thank you so much guys for this thread.
    This is truely sad.
    No one deserves to expirience such.
    The time & monies invested, this is so cruel of Doh & Hpcsa , not leaving behind the institutions of higher learning that offer this programme without a clear plan.

    Just out of curiosity, what does each & everyone of you plan to do ( pursue) after this?
    To those who have left the field, what are you currently busy with?

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  101. chris

    Guy’s wait do you get bursary and stipend while on training for BCMP

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  102. Hlompho

    I’m paramedic with Btech:EMC.I was planning to enrol for BCMP at wits hoping that its a way path to medicine but after this comment I’m speechless. Aren’t they get stipend while on training?

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  103. Siphokazi

    My daughter has been accepted for this program at Wits for 2018. We are all so disappointed after reading this. Tell me now that this is 2018, have things changed. Any improvement or hope of the issues you raised being addressed. Practising Clinical associates please advise

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  104. Chuma

    Hi All,

    I was inspired by a former Miner(a gentleman who previously worked at a mine, he resigned then studied BCMP and later became a doctor) and thought I should research about it. I am disappointed after having this article but still have hope.

    My main question is whether are there any improvements in regard to this profession?
    In this day, 08 January 2018 would you still recommend that one to stay away? if not which institutions do u recommend?

    Thank you in advance.

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  105. Khadar

    Hi everyone, okay… I have just finished reading all the comments starting from 2013-2017. that’s like 4 years without any change. I started matric this year, 2018. I am planning on… let’s just say I was planning on to study BCMP at Wits. However, notice there is NO CHANGE… yet, I’ll pursue a career in Radiology.
    I wanted to use BCMP as a loophole to Medicine but, I guess that is highly impossible.
    How are all the CAs doing, I have tons of questions… is there any change? are you guys still ALIVE? what’s the salary now? any recognition yet? what are the DoH plans?

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  106. Precious

    Hi guys.
    It’s so sad what u are experiencing.
    I’ve applied to Wits for BCMP and I would really love to pursue it, but your comments have got me thinking twice.

    Please tell us whether there are still no improvement? Thank you.

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  107. Andy

    The government don’t know what talent it’s wasting for not using CAs. Just couple of months ago we lost a great South African physician who commited suicide due to depression. An article later came out with several Drs stating how overworked they are leading to severe burnout and depression. A similar case were observed in newly graduated Drs.
    The US had similar issues (and still have till today) and decided to have a solution called Physician Assistant. This is a masters course that was introduced in the states where students had the same educational curriculum as the CAs are having. Today it is one of the most demanded professions in the states with a good pay as well for a very good reason. They greatly reduced the shortages of medical doctors. Some are even given the opportunityto specialise in several disciplines.
    SA will definetly have no choice but to acceot CAs but I’m afraid they may act too late. With several students feeling discouraged and leaving the profession, making it difficult for the people in the rural community not to have accessible healthcare. The governmentshould allocate a budget. And recognize CAs in the health sector fast as this will help solve a lot of issues in the DOH. Let’s hope this happens sooner than later.

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  108. Mmeli

    Hi All

    Reading this, saddens me and yes all Clinical Associates deserve better. I thought this should have somewhat discouraged me or demotivated me.
    but I find myself drawn to this programme even more. call me crazy but the passion I see in a Clinical Associate whe working, their longing to be great medics one day the satisfaction of working exactly like a doctor yet studied less years than a doctor did. ahhh its just indescribable. However its unfortunate that tot his day your scope of practise is still undefined, like all great people what point does it have to possess something great but you cannot show it off right?
    I am changing careers, always loved medicine but unfortunately made wrong decisions in High School that lended me up in a different field of profession. what I do for a living is amazing but for people who love Transport and Logistics but my heart is in medicine. so I’ll be spending my 2019 adding Mathematics and Life Sciences inorder to enrol for CA in 2020. seems far? but my love for this programme outweighs my cries and though I hope things would bebetter than but even if they don’t I think i still would love doing this. volunteered at a Hospital for two years made a friend who introduced me to BCMP and gosh was she very helpful. its as if I had a doctor working by my side, we worked in ED and good lord was she skilled. im even willing to let go of my good salary for this 13K you’re talking about beause of the great CAs ive been exposed to. when weighingth options, it doesn’t seem worth leaving my 6 years of hardwork in the career i’m in but lets see what the future has for all current Clinical associates and all apriring Clinical Associates. oneday it will all be worth it. until then lets save lives.

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  109. T

    My daughter wants study BCMP next year (2020) Has things changed. Should we look at other options instead. You feedback will be greatly accepted

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  110. Debra

    Hey Guys

    Has there been any changes/developments regarding the issues you guys raised i.e scope of practice,recognition, salary etc

    I must say i would really love to become a CA and i hope things have changed by now as ill be studying BCMP in 2020 at UP.
    Can anyone please give us an update on what has been happening Please.

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    • Kamo

      Don’t do it. This degree will depress you. I’m doing second year this year with a broken heart. I honestly thought this degree would still allow me to pursue my dreams of getting into medicine but it’s the worst decision I’ve every made. Lecturers will sell you dreams, you’ll feel the depression with your classmates.

      To everyone, do not study this degree.

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  111. Zolani

    Eish guys this hurt Kanti how much salary earned by clinical associate per month ???

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  112. Joan Reid

    HI there, I am a qualified Enrolled nurse, where do I do the training for a clinical Associate course or will the bridging course be a better step for me to go forward? I reside in Somerset West.

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